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  • 08-08-2008 9:36 AM

    missed miscarriage at 11+weeks

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     Firstly, I didn't know this forum was here, but I'm glad there is somewhere for us sad cases to go and talk, without upsetting the others.

    We were trying for 5months (6 cycles), using a mix of high-tech (at home methods) and lower tech stuff such as diet and supplements. On the 6th attempt of ttc a girl, we got our BFP. I'm 40, so we thought that was fairly fast. After a small amount of bleeding, I had early scans, and the one at 9 weeks was fantastic, with baby waving it's arms and legs and flexing it's body. A very precious memory. we were reasured by the midwife that the bleeding was from a small errosion on the cervix, and not from the baby. I don't think it had anything to do with what happened. We were also told that there were no guarentees, but seeing a heartbeat and an apparently normal baby meant a less than 5% chance of m/c. But someone, sadly, has to be the 5%.

     On Tueday, my DH and I went for our booking scan at the hospital. I was about 11wk and a couple of days. We were so happy as we had decided to keep the news to ourselves untill 12 weeks and the scan, and were anticpating showing the pictures to friends and family. DH was really looking forward to the scan and had taken time away from work to be there (I am so glad he was there so we could support each other).DH had attended one early scan, but it was too early to see movement or a heartbeat. He didn't get to see the wonderful, happy 9 week scan.

    Within 10 seconds of the booking scan starting, we knew something was wrong. The midwife didn't turn the screen round like they normally do, and started pressing really hard on my belly with the scanner - to the point of it being really quite sore. She said she couldn't get a good view and was my bladder full. It was, but she got me to go and drink water and rescanned in 20min. This time after scanning for a couple of mins, saying "it's very low down, I'm not getting a good veiw" a few times, she turned the screen round and told us th baby was very still, and she wanted us to go downstairs to be rescanned by the doctors who had a scanner with much better resolution. It was already plain to us that the baby had died. It was so still. at the 9 week scan, even when it was not moving, it was not still, and the heart beat was very easy to see.

    Downstairs I had two more scans, but two different doctors, and it was very clear that the baby was dead. It measured 10 weeks and 3days.

    We were taken to a side room while arrangments were made. The doctor came and offered us a print of the scan picture (which we were happy to have), and cups of tea (which we didn't want), and leaflets about miscarriage. 

    On wednesday (the next day) we had an appointment at EPAC (early pregnancy unit) where they went through our options. I wanted a medical procedure (tablets), but they advised against this as more than half of women at 10 and a half week end up needing a ERPoC  (to remove the products of conception) because all, of some of the bits don't come away. I could have waited for nature to take it's course, but I was told that could take weeks of waiting and serious pain. I have 3 boys to take care of, so that wasn't really a good option for me.

    I was booked in for a ERPoC the next morning, (yesterday). We asked if we could take the remains home with us to bury in the garden. They said that was fine.

     

    WARNING, THERE FOLLOWS A GRAFFIC ACCOUNT OF SURGERY AND OF OUR BABY. PLEASE DO NOT READ IF YOU THINK IT WOULD UPSET YOU. I THINK WOMEN ABOUT TO UNDERGO THIS PROCEDURE COULD BENEFIT FROM READING IT. It may give reasurance.

     

    Yesterday we went to the hospital at 8am, and had tablets inserted to open the cervix. A strong Antibiotic was put up my bottom (as you are not allowed to eat or drink before an op), to prevent infection in the womb. I had to stay in bed for 30mins, but could get up and walk arround the room after that. I had my own room, with bathroom. The staff said they always try to give a single room to women having miscarriage. DH was able to stay.All the staff were so compasionate, but also down to earth. There were pats on the arm and reasuring hand squeases everytime I cried, which was a lot of times. They were also careful to speak to my husband by name everytime they came into the room, to keep him involved, after all, it was his baby that had died too. 

    After about 2 hours (to give the tablets time to work),I had some pain and bleeding but mothing worse than AF. The surgeon came to introduce himself and to say I would be taken to theater soon. He asked us what our expectation of taking the remains home was. I said I knew that the baby would be very small, and might come out of me in bits. I said we felt we wanted to bury it in a private place at home rather than have to hospital take it away. The surgeon was happy to give us the remains but explained that the procedure to remove the baby involved using a suction device which would break up the tissues and there would be a lot of blood too. Nothing was likely to be recognisable. We said we understood. He was happy to agree to give us the remains and said they would be in a jar, placed inside a plain white box. I think it is good that he took the time to do that, as many people would not know that the operation does this (it's done that way to make it safer for the woman, much less invasive than a D and C). We already knew this information as DH is a doctor.

    When they brought the trolly into the room to take me to theater, I started to cry and didn't stop till I was put to sleep.That was when it became real, that the baby really was dead and was going to be taken away from me. DH walked with the trolly and held my hand untill we got to the operating room and he had to go. The nurse and the doctor held my hand and made sympathetic comments They put a needle in my hand and the next thing i remember is waking up and someone taking my blood pressure. It took a couple of seconds to realise that it was over. It only took about 15 mins.

    After a while I was wheeled back to my room, tears still rolling down my face. I could feel I was bleeding into a pad. I had to stay in bed for 30min, then they brought lunch and said I could go home after I'd eaten, had some water and passed urine. DH returned, and sat with me until it was time to go. I felt ok, not in pain at all. The bleeding was heavy AF but no cramps, and they said it should only last a few days (up to 2 weeks), getting lighter each day. If it stars to get worse, I'm to go back incase there is infecton or retained products of conception. They told me to take it easy for the rest of the day and not to drive.

    My belly felt empty. the womb had dropped down lower now it was empty I think.

    By About 3pm we were home and planting a small fruit tree in the garden, with the remains. We decided to look at the remains before we buried them. This is not something I would recomend to everyone, but if you find yourselves in this situation, and want to look, then do. I realise I'm speaking as a science graduate, married to a doctor, and both of us used to seeing unpleasent things, but  we didn't find it terrible to look at, sad yes, but not terrible. We both found it very helpful to look, and to see the pieces. If you want to know how to view the remains, keep reading. If you think this will upset you, stop reading now. We removed the lid from the from the vacumm jar, it just looked like mashed liver, with blood. We though oh, there is nothing to see.  But, remembering science classes, we thought if we rinsed off the blood and floated the remains in a shallow dish with clean water, then that would give us a chance see some part of our poor little baby. We used a small fine mesh strainer (a tea strainer?) poured the remains into that, let the blood drain then gently rinsed the remains with clear water until all the blood was gone. We carefully put the remains in a glass bowl with water, and carefully stired with a teaspoon. We spotted a tiny arm, perfect and tiny, with clearly visible hand fingers and even the sugestion of fingernails. We sat and looked at it for a while, it really made us feel connected to the baby, and each other. Here was something we had made together, out of love, and something which we loved since we first knew of it's existence 8 weeks ago. It might sound strange, but it was a special moment. We looked some more, and found the other arm, also perfect. This one was still joined to what must have been the body, but that was too damaged to see anythig very much. We used the strainer again, to gather up all the tissue, and put it in a little jewel box with a small teddy and burried it while planting the fruit tree. It was very uplifting, and felt also like drawing a line under what has been an awful few days. It is over, but we will be sad a long time. I'm glad I have such a wonderful DH, and 3 wondeful DS. 

    A tiny chink of light - elsewhere on the Ingender site, I read that in the first weeks following a m/c, you are more likely to c a girl, due to the hormones still floating around the womans body being more favorable to a girl. The doctor and widwife have both told us that you can start ttc as soon as you feel up to sex!

    I know I feel better for writing this post, I hope some one else might benefit too. Sorry it'd so detailed, and perhaps shocking to some. Sadly, these things happen and I'm just telling the story as it was.

    It still feels unreal that all this was happening only 24 hours ago. Physically, now, I feel ok, good even. Just a little blood, no pain at all.   

     

     

     

     

     

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    Baby Girl m/c 7 Aug 08 at 11+weeks
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  • 08-08-2008 11:23 AM

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    What a beautiful and sad story. Thank you for telling us of your feelings and your story, It was enlightening and heartbreaking all at once. I am so glad that you were able to have some closure by burying your little one, and hopefully you will quickly conceive again! Did you give your baby a name? Sorry if that is TMI and feel free not to answer, but I miscarried in June and because it was a blighted ovum, never felt the need for a name as I never saw/felt my baby. It was as thought a baby was never really there.

    Hugs and prayers from Horsey Mom 

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  • 08-08-2008 2:12 PM

    Re: missed miscarriage at 11+weeks

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    Thank you for your comments, it meant a lot to read them.  I am sorry for your loss.  We didn't really have a name, but had thought about Penny or Poppy for a girl, and we weren't sure about a boy's name.

     

    It has really helped to write a bit about what happened, and to read again what I had written.  My DH also said it also helped to read it.  It's almost as though writing brings some small amount of reality to a situation that still feels so unreal.

     

    It's also nice to feel that others out there have some share in what happened - so thanks again for your comments.

     

    Lorraine 

    Baby Boy 14
    Baby Boy 13
    Baby Boy 11
    Baby Girl m/c 7 Aug 08 at 11+weeks
  • 08-08-2008 3:51 PM

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    I had a miscarriage in Feb. at 9weeks. I understand how terriable it can be. My husband and I had a hard time getting over it. I recently found out I am expecting again and I found myself almost being paranoid about every little thing. On the bright side we have found a peace with our loss and our so happy to have this little on it's way. Hopefully it's true about the prego hormones and if it is I hope that it helped concieve a girl 5months after our loss.

    Your are in my thoughts and prayers. I hope you announce a pregnancy very soon!!!

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  • 08-08-2008 7:24 PM

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    I'm so sorry for you loss.  I went thru almost the exact situation in December.  We had seen our baby's heartbeat earlier in the pregnancy.  I was alone the day that I was told the baby had passed.  I still remember the words the dr told me as she was looking at the baby on the screen.  She asked me if I wanted to see the baby.  I did and it was still and so sad looking.  I will never forget the drive home.  I texted messaged a few close friends because I couldn't stop crying to tell people what had happened. 

    I went back in three days later for a D&C.  It all was very fast.  Paper work, IV and some meds to calm my nerves.  The surgery took about 10 mins max and I left within 30 minutes.  Very little bleeding for the first week. 

    I'm so glad that you got to bury the remains.  I cried for days wondering what had happened to my little baby that I had seen on a scan that exact morning.  I wish I had some closure in that area. 

    Anyway, i'm thinking of you.  I hope that you heal well and are able to get preggy again when you feel the time is right.

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  • 08-08-2008 8:12 PM

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    I will also never forget the stillness on that ultrasound screen. It really burns in your memory.

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  • 08-09-2008 2:52 AM

    Re: missed miscarriage at 11+weeks

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     Hi Prayingforpinkjoy,

    Thanks for your good wishes, and sorry to hear about your loss. My husband is also finding it difficult, I think that often the dads get overlooked where there's a m/c, as it's not physially happening to them. I really noticed that the staff at the early preg unit made a big effort to include DH in every conversation, This unit is dealing with up to 14 week pregs, so get all the early m/c and they are really on the ball. My heart was breaking for DH, I think he found it hard to watch me go throught it.

    I wish you the very best for this preg, 5 months is pretty fast, and somehow I would find it comforting to have a baby one the way before the due date of the one I lost - kind of like, fate, as this baby could not have come if the other was not lost. Maybe that's my strange kind of logic and not everyone would feel that. I would be very happy indead to find myself in your situation in a few months!

    I KNOW I will be paranoid about everything next time, but all we can only do our best and hope thats enough.

    Good luck X

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    Baby Girl m/c 7 Aug 08 at 11+weeks
  • 08-09-2008 3:09 AM

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     Hi graysmommy,

    I was sorry to read that you were alone when you had your scan, that must have been so hard for you. I feel so lucky DH was there, he almost didn't come, but had managed to reshedule a meeting at the last min, and arrived just as the midwife was putting gel on my belly. It is that stillness I will remember too. Still and sad looking as you said.

    A collegue of DH said they did not get the remains home, but planted a rosebush in the garden and get comfort every year when it blooms.

    Most hospitals here (uk) now store all fetal material (that hasn't been taken by the parents) and once a year (or every few months) hold a cremation and a service to which all these who have had a loss are invited (it is always mentioned in the local paper), and the ashes put in a garden of rememberance. I don't know how these things work in other countries. Years ago it would be disposed of with other hospital biological waste.  

     You could probably still ask and find out, at least you would know.

    I wish you well for the future X

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    Baby Boy 13
    Baby Boy 11
    Baby Girl m/c 7 Aug 08 at 11+weeks
  • 08-09-2008 3:25 AM

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    I'm really sorry for your loss.  It sounds as though you have a great hospital system.  Here in Australia, things are quite different.  The D&C I had recently was awful.  I cried until I was put under as you said you did, but woke from the general still crying and disoriented and not a single person came to comfort me.  We are also lumbered in with all the other day staff patients in our hospital, which is pretty hard to take.  The amount of times I was asked what proceedure I was having " a D&C, a D&C......" as if having it done isn't painful enough, you have to tell every orderly, anesthetist, nurse etc etc you come across.  You can probably tell, it was pretty awful, sorry to ramble.

    I wish you the best of luck in the future.

     

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    Baby Bear Boy 10.10.03
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  • 08-09-2008 3:38 AM

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    [:'(]I'm sorry for your lost. I will be praying for both of usPray. Thank you for the comment and you posting your procedure. I hope mines be the same.

    Baby Girl 6 Baby Girl 4 Heartbroken blighted ovum 8-12-08 praying 4 Baby Boy
  • 08-09-2008 2:31 PM

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    Such a sad yet beautiful story.  I hope you continue to heal.  Big hugs to you

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  • 08-09-2008 4:45 PM

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    Hi OhforAgirl, 

    Thats awful. It used to be the same here in the Uk but in recent years most (certainly all the big) hospitals have set up these early pregnancy units. DH has worked in these units while a junior doctor about 15 years ago, when the concept was a bit newer, and I know that back then your story would have been very common - women having m/c being put in a ward full of people having abortion, because they were all having the same op, etc. Awful, awful, awful.

    I'm so sorry that it was such a bad experience for you, I feel very very lucky to have a more positive one (if you can say positive).

    Ramble all you like, that's what this thread is for. Let it all out.

     

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    Baby Boy 13
    Baby Boy 11
    Baby Girl m/c 7 Aug 08 at 11+weeks
  • 08-09-2008 4:49 PM

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     Hi bornred26,

    Thank you, it's an awful thing to lose even a tiny baby, my best wishes go out to you. Keep strong. X 

    Baby Boy 14
    Baby Boy 13
    Baby Boy 11
    Baby Girl m/c 7 Aug 08 at 11+weeks
  • 08-09-2008 5:20 PM

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    I am so, so sorry.  I too had a missed m/c this past Jan.  I was just past 10wks, and I also have 3 little boys at home.  So your story hits very close to my heart, and brings tears to my eyes.  Again I am so very sorry.

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  • 08-10-2008 12:44 AM

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    I'm so very sorry for your loss.  Your story was heartbreaking.  I can relate to you finding comfort in viewing your baby.  My first pregnancy ended in m/c at 7 weeks.  That tiny baby passed out of me during an exam (I had been bleeding).  I didn't look at the sac or take it home.  I didn't really think about that or know it was an option.  It's always bothered me since.  I was blessed by conceiving DS right after that m/c.  Then I had another m/c in 2008.  This baby died at 6 weeks, I found out at 8 weeks, passed it naturally at 9 weeks.  I felt more of a connection to this baby.  The sac passed intact so I held it and talked to it.  It was so so sad, but it helped me.  We also buried the baby under a special tree we planted.  I ache for that baby and wonder if it was a boy or a girl.  I long to be pregnant again, but no luck so far.  I should be in my 3rd trimester now.

    Best wishes to you and your DH as you continue to try to find peace.   It's so hard to go through what you did.  I hope your wish to conceive quickly comes true.

    Baby Boy 2004


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