i just got a call from the 3-d/4-d place & they have a 3:pm appt open due to a cancellation - she assured me they will determine gender since i'm almost 17 weeks. yay, now i will know. if by chance this baby doesn't cooperate, i will handcuff myself to that machine before i leave. so if you don't hear from me later tonight then i am in jail. man i love modern technology :)