Not a newbie, but confused.....

Hey Rainne..I don't have actual studies on this, but I remember Tamara saying many times that lower count = more x's..it might even be in FAQ.  After work I'll definitely take a look at all those studies. What did you mean about that it's linked to hormones? 

 I think my dilemma between abstinance versus frequent BD is that it'll give us more chances to try especially with doing SU and having friends in town.  So, if you can do abstinance and can tolerate this diet for awhile it seems stats are pretty good on that.  Seems the stats for both shettles and 0+12 together are good as well though.

Nikilyn..what did you mean by using the second sample might not be possible?  We're you thinking our DH wouldn't be able to "perform" again right away or something else?

Also, what about lime killing sperm...I'd hate to do the whole SU method and make splime for TBM when I'm just killing it all....Could I maybe do SU/TBM with only a little lime I wonder or do TBM and then quickly add 2-3ml?

hopefull2009:

Hey Rainne..I don't have actual studies on this, but I remember Tamara saying many times that lower count = more x's..it might even be in FAQ.  After work I'll definitely take a look at all those studies. What did you mean about that it's linked to hormones? 

 I think my dilemma between abstinance versus frequent BD is that it'll give us more chances to try especially with doing SU and having friends in town.  So, if you can do abstinance and can tolerate this diet for awhile it seems stats are pretty good on that.  Seems the stats for both shettles and 0+12 together are good as well though.

Nikilyn..what did you mean by using the second sample might not be possible?  We're you thinking our DH wouldn't be able to "perform" again right away or something else?

Also, what about lime killing sperm...I'd hate to do the whole SU method and make splime for TBM when I'm just killing it all....Could I maybe do SU/TBM with only a little lime I wonder or do TBM and then quickly add 2-3ml?

Hello,

The hormone thing is from the link that NikiLyn gave me on the previous page (it's from In Gender):

"Sperm Studies: 

2004:

http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/(rjz2hgqk4zhlz52kg2wzj245)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,9,10;journal,18,48;linkingpublicationresults,1:102430,1

 "High sperm count favors boys" "Low sperm count favors girls"

After much research I have found studies that say high testosterone favors high sperm count, and high testosterone favors male offspring, therefore high sperm count favors male offspring.

  1998:  This studies shows that low sperm count (or damaged sperm count) favors girls
http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/reprint/19/1/5

  2003:  This study shows that high testosterone  favors boys
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/extract/18/5/1133-a "

Yeah, I don't know about the lime, I want to see where it says that the X's regain movement first. SU looks good in theory but how many people on here have tried it successfully, I know that Tamara did it and a lady who got a girl. I hope there are more.

Have you bought an incubator or are you making one? We haven't got one yet but are going to experiment with it even if untimately we go with another method. DH likes the science in all of this

I'd love to hear about your attempts!

hopefull2009:

Nikilyn..what did you mean by using the second sample might not be possible?  We're you thinking our DH wouldn't be able to "perform" again right away or something else?

That's awesome...

I was thinking I might give him 15 min.

Great thanks for the studies, I see what ya mean...I have DH taking Licorice Root to decrease his testosterone.  We'll see.  I'm taking Saw Palmetto to increase progesterone and decrease testosterone as well. 

Funny you ask about the incubator, just got it today and am trying to see tonight what I need to do to stabilize the temp between 90 and 100.  Without messing with it, it wanted to go above 100.  Just added some aluminum foil around the bulb and moved the lid over a little. 

Tamara seems to think it's 85% SU and there was a study done that said 85% as well. Of course now I'm not sure where that went.  Some of the folks on gender dissapointment have said they wished they tried SU in hindsight.  It's tricky though.

Okay, so If I am doing TBM with my SU at 0+12....how is conception possible when we have no idea the timeframe when the spermies wake up. 

because we know they wake up by at least 30 minutes after the fact (read the lime studies).  it then takes x sperm 4 hours to swim

It seems nearly impossible if we do not know how long they stay immobilized, right?

wrong

  Just a thought.....The last three months I have been doing 0+12 with no success and so I am wondering if it is because 1.  maybe the lime has killed my sperm because it is low or

no, not unless your pH drops below 4

 2. because it is too late when I make my attempt because by the time the sperm wake up, my egg is gone!!! 

i double it as long as  you are do it at o+20 or less.  are you sure your getting o+12 right?

 So, ladies...what do you think?  How do we fix this for next month?  

it can take 12 months to get pg.  remember 80% of all eggs are bad 

Also, I was wondering if anyone has done SU without doing TBM or is that just plain DUMB? 

yes 2 people did it when they couldnt concieve  after 12 months.  but they never told me the outcome

  Anyone made the splime higher than 4.5? 

i wouldnt

Thanks Tamara !!!!

I got pregnant doing 0+12, or maybe it was 0+8.... anyways it worked for me. SU and diva cup. Do you use the diva cup? I left it in all night to increase my chances.

Luvr4boyz:

Also, I was wondering if anyone has done SU without doing TBM or is that just plain DUMB?  

  How does one do su without tbm?

About the ph, I kept my splime below 5. Maybe a little above 4.5 at the end. Don't worry girl, you will get pregnant!

Thanks Rach....