Finally, Dr. Wong says...

Okay, sorry, I lied about not posting again. I wasn't satisfied with no explanation, so I called Acu-Gen back and insisted to talk to a supervisor.  He (Dr. Wong) says...

(In a nutshell).  I am only the SECOND person this has happened to (ha ha yeah right)  Then tried to pull the 'vanishing twin' act.  I told him I had ultrasounds at 5, 7, 10 and 20 weeks and only had 1 fetus.  He said that vanishing twins (get this) are VERY common...1 in 8 he quoted (anyone know stats on this?).  BUT he said by week five, 95% of these are reabsorbed.  So I said, I took this test at 7 weeks, not 5, so I am the rare 5% that still had a twin that later "vanished" (even though I can provide proof of 5 and 7 week ultrasounds with 1 fetus).  He said yes I still had a vanishing twin and I was a rare case that they were wrong (contradictive).  I asked how he can still quote 99.9% accuracy (also I emailed Sherry with these same quetsions) and he had no reply...just that I was a rare case and he was sending me $550 by the end of this week.  Money to shut me up!

Just thought you all would find some useful info in my experience.

Leila, you are SO making me want to call Acu-Gen again!!!  There's no way they could use the "vanishing twin" on me seeing as my sample contained NO Y DNA therefore a girl.  If their test is so darn accurate it should have found Y from my baby boy.  I also had early ultrasounds because of bleeding (I think I was only 5 weeks 4 days for the first - we only saw one sac, only one sac again two days later when I went for a repeat hCG, then another u/s a week later finally showed the heartbeat).

I hope they're sending the check Fed-Ex :)

And I'm now telling you that you can't leave us!!  We'll miss you too much.  Besides, I can't wait to start seeing pictures of all these wonderful babies.  They're in a club all their own.

Erica, you're absolutely right, the vanishing twin can only account for a "false boy", not a "false girl".  And Leila better not go anywhere, oh sure, like she can just take the money and run!!! 

If the vanishing twin is so common (1 in 8) how can they POSSIBLY say the test is 99.9% accurate??? 

I am so glad you got some peace of mind and got your money back.  I guess you are the fifth one to get your money back : )  I hope you are one of many, many women who get the 550$ they deserve.  Take care and keep us updated.  Michelle

Leila:

WOW...I applaud you for your effort and finding a way to get your money back. As Sherry said "there is no possible way to get your money back til birth" BULL CRAP,because all I did was took major effort, had tons of backup and put in the words "Lawyer" and they were willing to cooperate real quick. Yes I would say the same thing "money back to shut us up" because we are walking and living proof evidence of how false these people really are. I am so happy you stuck at them til you got your money back. Good job hunny. I am one of the people who got my refund back as well and was so happy to see it. Since then I been buying new stuff for my baby BOY when they said GIRL. Dont get me wrong I am happy regardless,its just the point behind this test. Anyways good luck and congrats to you...finally making some progress here and finding loop holes to these people. Again CONGRATS, Summer S.

Everyone else try some of these ideas that me and leila have done(although very true and have proof for them) and keep at it. You too could join the other side of satisfaction of a full 2x money refund BEFORE birth...and get back at this company. I so cannot wait for this class action lawsuit to go in effect, because I would happily participate :-) Summer S.

 

OH YEAH...MY 4D ULTRASOUND PICTURES ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO VIEW THEM...IF SO, EMAIL ME!!! :-)

Okay, I'm glad this information was well received.  I was hoping you all would find my conversation with Dr. Wong as humours as I did.  And as someone (summer??) said, they can't quote 99.9% accuracy if we ALL are going to have a vanishing twin!  If their technology is even possible (questionable) then it probably doesn't work until we are futher along, and by that time we can have our ultrasounds (they know that) and they can't make their money!  What a pile...

Erica, I'm sure he will say you have a vanishing twin too...ridiculous.  I can't believe they can say 'its a boy, no, its a girl...we'll it will be one of those, I'm sure'  Wow!  What geniuses!  At least it's not a frog :)

ha ha Leila

 

Good for you on the refund, sister! But don't leave us.......

Love, Danielle

Yes, I heard that 1 in 8 pregnancies will be a twin pregnancy, but most of these pregnancies will end in a vanishing twin. The Discovery Health Channel keeps airing the program called "Vanishing Twins" all the time. That's where I heard it from. I have been looking at these BGM posts (I usually post on the gender disappointment forum) and I saw a lot of stuff on the vanishing twin problem, and I remembered that program I saw. I didn't watch the whole show, but right in the beginning, they gave that 1 in 8 statistic. But they said that "it was thought" that 1 in 8 pregnancies are a twin pregnancy.

momoftwoboys wrote:

Yes, I heard that 1 in 8 pregnancies will be a twin pregnancy, but most of these pregnancies will end in a vanishing twin. The Discovery Health Channel keeps airing the program called "Vanishing Twins" all the time. That's where I heard it from..

LOL, my sister told me about this show the other day.  She said she'd watched it three times, but kept falling asleep before the end and it was driving her crazy.  She finally caught the end one day.

It may well be true that 1 in 8 pregnancies begin with twins and one vanishes.  However, those lost babies are vanishing so early that it should NOT cause there to be enough fetal DNA in the bloodstream to foul up Acu-Gen's test.  Remember, THEY state not to take the test before 7 weeks gestation because there is not enough DNA.  If these vanishing twins are so common, yet nobody is seeing them, even on very early ultrasounds, they must be vanishing around 3-5 weeks.  If this problem is so common and Acu-Gen cannot find a way around it, then there is no way they should be marketing the test as 99.9% accurate.

It's just another one of their excuses.

But remember not ALL vanishing twins would cause the test to be wrong.  ONLY the case where there are boy/girl twins, and the boy vanishes, causing a false boy because you would be left with only a girl.  The result would still be correct if you started with boy/boy, girl/girl, or boy/girl but the girl vanishes. 

Anyway, a vanishing twin explanation would only apply to tests done before 8/23, because after that they state they were detecting boy/girl twins.

Either way, they have now stated in two articles that one of the four refunds was attributed to a vanishing twin, so it does not appear that the vanishing twin explanation was intended to be a refund loophole.

what i don't get is if they've been doing this test for 14 years or whatever, why did they only start testing for both x and y chromos in August? wouldn't they have figured that out atleast a couple of years back? doesn't make sense to me, but then again neither does anything else they say or do.

Yes, if the previous testing over the 14 years was 99.9% accurate, you'd think they'd stick with that.