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I had to wait a day to reply, trying to come up with a condensed version of what I would like to say.

My daughter never even received a confirmation  E-mail from Acu-Gen, although she did request one after Dr. Wang's phone conversation with her. ( She received one saying they had received payment though....much more important then following their own rules, I suppose).

For us, the "boy/girl" issue, has been stuffed in the closet, although we're amazed  and saddened at the amount of women here, and elsewhere, that have been given the wrong Gender, and feel very badly for them.

I want to know why you, Sherry, were so hateful to my daughter when she called and asked  if you realized the doctor was calling people long distance, telling them there was something wrong with their baby?

I want to know why Dr. Wang did this to her, knowing that she would have to wait 4 more weeks for her own physician to do the tests in the correct manner, in order to get reliable results?

I want to know WHY he, the great and mighty doctor ~ with NO PHD ~,as we've learned just recently,  thought it was "funny" that my daughter was upset at his "diagnosis"?

I want to know why he refused to send the Lab reports to my daughters OB doctor?

I want to know why we had to call her husband in Afghanistan, telling him  this , when  he happens to be a little busy  fighting Terrorists? Just what he needed......more stress.

I want you to know that it is my goal  to have this entire mess investigated..., whichever way it turns out.. and if it takes me forever and a day, I'll follow thru with it.

Nova

 

Cutting and pasting from your 4th paragraph.

"Plus, it's much "safer" for you all to fall back on a technology like sonogram because it's all you had to rely on for so many years before the Baby Gender Mentor – even though statistically it's been proven that sonograms are inaccurate at determining the gender 80-90% of the time. "

 

Wow that is a heck of a lot of WRONG ultrasounds. Did you even read what you wrote?

I agree. I was mad too after reading what Sherry wrote. Then I realized I dont care, I happen to know for a fact 100% how WRONG they are. Thank you ladies for such wonderful posts and backing us up. You did an excellent job...well done :-) I applaud you. Summer

Danielle-

Wow!  you are some kind of woman!  You could not have touched on the subjects anymore than I could have.  you said everything I am thinking but can not put into words!!!!  I was crying the whole time!!!!  (and I hardly ever cry).  All I can say is wow! 

Thanks!

Melissa

Sherry,  I am so tired of quoting a study done on FIRST trimester ultrasounds.  Have you taken any time what-so-ever to read the "Facts only" thread on this site?  If you had you would realize that there is not a single person on there using a FIRST trimester ultrasound to argue the accuracy of BGM.  In fact, most of the women have had multiple ultrasounds with the same result and almost all of them were done AFTER the 20th week.  What would be the accuracy rate of my 5th ultrasound saying GIRL all done after the 19 weeek?  We are not all as gullible and naive as you would like us to be.  What is that saying....fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me. 

By the way, STILL waiting on those reasons for wrong amnios.   Have you not been able to find a study that backs you up on that yet?  I couldn't help but notice that on your website, you list amnios as 100% accurate. 

Sherry, I know we all sound like we are attacking you personally but you have to realize that you are the ONLY one sticking up for Acu-Gen so you are the only one we address.  Your best bet would be to let us vent to each other without interference.  At this point, surely you realize that you are not going to change our minds about this topic and all you are accomplishing by posting the same info over and over again is to get all of us that much madder about the whole situation.  It is insulting and demeaning!!  

JCKC

I have been a lurker of this site and have resisted the attempt to post until now.  I can't believe the lack of concern Sherry has displayed for the victims who brought this product from her site. 

I am interested in this forum because I came VERY close to purchasing this product but became suspicious after talking with Dr. Wang.  I called Accu-gen (I was about 10 weeks pregnant at the time) because I KNEW I had a vanishing twin (from multiple ultrasounds) and I wanted to see how it would affect my results.  His response was that this was an "unusual situation and that I would need to take two tests 1 week apart".  After hearing this I decided NOT to take the test - it just didn't make sense to me.  From reading these forums, I now know I made the right decision - especially since they are using the "vanishing twin" scenario as a way to get out of paying the refund (funny how the vanishing twin is not so unusual now). 

Hang in there ladies - time (and births) will tell the true story here.  BTW, it was VERY obvious that my first child was a boy at my 16 week U/S which was confirmed by amnio.  No mistaken the penis on that screen - no way.  Also, Maureen  - I don't care what your last name is - I don't blame you for not publishing it with all the nuts in this world.

Kathy

 

Hi…

Again, I do understand that you all are confused. Having been pregnant myself, I know that you spend a lot of time worrying…and I AM sorry for the confusion that this is causing some of you, but it seems that no matter what explanation I give you, it doesn’t help. I’m trying my best to explain some of the reasons for the discrepancies…

What Acu-Gen is doing is based on science – not subjective ultrasound interpretation. Their accuracy rate is based on correlation studies between two technology platforms with validated data from actual births spanning more than a decade.  

As far as the number of births so far, we do not know how many women have given birth. We only know if people contact us to let us know that they’ve had their baby.

With regard to discrepancies with ultrasounds I’ve explained the reasons above…2D, 3D, and 4D ultrasounds are accumulated and superimposed images of ultrasound images and are subject to the same subjective interpretation as regular ultrasounds. (For instance, the umbilical cord can easily be mistaken for a penis. I’ve seen some 3D ultrasounds where if the image is showing a penis, the baby has a VERY large penis…there’s a strong chance that it’s the umbilical cord.) I’ve done research, and I cannot find any study which is able to confirm that accuracy rate of 2d, 3d or 4d ultrasounds at determining the baby’s gender. (Other than the one we have cited on our web site.)

With regard to amnios and CVS discrepancies, there are medical and scientific explanations that could cause the discrepancies, such as ambiguous genitalia that can be caused by the followings:
• Androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) - a genetic condition characterized by the foetal tissue's insensitivity to male hormones. This affects genital development. For example, a newborn may have some of the female reproductive organs but also have testicles.
• Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) - an inherited condition that affects hormone production. A child with CAH lacks particular enzymes, and this deficiency triggers the excessive manufacture of male hormones. For example, female genitals are masculinised.
• Sex chromosome disorders - instead of having either XX or XY sex chromosomes, a baby may have a mixture of both ('mosaic' chromosomes); or specific genes on the Y chromosome may be inactive; or one of the X chromosomes may have a tiny Y segment attached to it. Research at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) indicates that ambiguous genitalia can be caused by the doubling up of a particular gene (named WNT-4) on the sex chromosome. This variation will interfere with male sexual development so that a genetically male baby will appear female.
• Maternal factors - the pregnant mother may have had an androgen-secreting tumour while pregnant, and the excess of this male hormone affected her baby's genital development. In other cases, the placenta may have lacked a particular enzyme which failed to deactivate male hormones from the baby as a result, both the mother and the female baby were masculinised by the excess of these hormones.
• Autosome disorders –
Edward syndrome
Edward syndrome is also known as Trisomy 18, because the person has three copies of chromosome 18 instead of two. Some of the characteristics of Edward syndrome may include:
• Defects of the kidneys, ureters, heart, lungs and diaphragm.
• Cleft lip or cleft palate.
• Small skull (microcephaly).
• Malformations of the hands and feet - including missing thumbs, club feet and webbing between the fingers and toes (syndactyly).
• Neural tube defect, where the spinal cord, meninges and blood vessels protrude through a gap in the vertebrae (myelomeningocele).
• Malformations of the sex organs.
Patau syndrome
Patau syndrome is also known as Trisomy 13, because the person has three copies of chromosome 13 instead of two. Some of the characteristics of Patau syndrome may include:
• Small skull (microcephaly).
• An abnormal opening in the skull.
• Malformations of part of the brain.
• Structural defects of the eyes.
• Cleft lip or cleft palate.
• Additional toes or fingers (polydactyly).
• Congenital heart disorders, such as ventricular septal defect.
• Neural tube defect, where the spinal cord, meninges and blood vessels protrude through a gap in the vertebrae (myelomeningocele).
• Malformations of the sex organs.

I know that all of these reasons for amnios and CVS discrepancies are scary, but they are possible reasons for the discrepancies….

Acu-Gen has so far issued four 200% refund checks to customers with results confirmed by themselves to be incorrect.  One is for a case involving vanishing twins, one case due to insufficient blood sample, and two cases caused by incomplete reactions. 

For those of you who think I’m heartless, I’m not. I’m a mother of 3 and DO sympathize. All I know is that I talk to the scientists at Acu-Gen almost on a daily basis and KNOW what they’re capable of doing and am amazed at their abilities. They’re analyzing the DNA – a known scientific element. It’s not subjective (like ultrasound.)

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Sherry

Sherri,

Thank you for the reply to some of our questions.  However, doesn't amnio report any of those "horrible" disabilities that our unborn child may have?  Also, what is the scientific percentage that our child will have a disorder like that 1 in how many???

Please answer that!!!!

Thanks! 

Yes Sherry,

I have a few questions.  Why are you on the fore front defending this product instead of Accu-Gen?  After all, you just sell the kit.  Next question, what do you think about Dr. Wang's statement in the Boston Globe about this test being a "learning process" for him as well as the women tested?  Why am I paying $275 for him to "learn" with me and cause me such grief?  Why market this test and claim 99.9% accuracy if he is still learning?  I mean after a decade of study and 20,000 women later, what is he wanting to learn?

Just curious,

Deana

Ok I had a posted refused for something I said three times in caps lol but I will refrain from that hehe. Anyways to Sherry...

Did you not have kids? You have 3? A mother to 3 am I correct? Did you not have u/s? Did you not trust those? Did you not deliver the same gender as ultrasound so clearly showed and claimed? If you had taken this test available to you and it was wrong and you saw with your own two eyes the OPPOSITE gender, would you still "defend" them then? I THINK NOT...How dare you defend acugen and say that they are scientifically this and that and blah blah with our DNA. Ultrasounds have been around for many years and are way more accurate then acugen has ever been in the time its been available. I am sorry but this company is completely bogus and heartless and if you want to agree with them then go ahead, just let me say you are wasting your time by trying to persuade us and change our minds about it. We are REAL people with REAL feelings and this company is messing with us with no regard to us except for our money. Acugen should not still be in business, and in fact no matter what you guys say or do, we will still feel the same way about this company based on out mothers instincts,intuitions and ultrasounds which are way more accurate and more powerful then you claim this company to be. There are words I would love to say in which I cant but if I could they would all be in here and you would clearly see how angry I am. Also how are you going to talk nonsense on ultrasounds? 80-90% ultrasounds are correct and way more accurate then acugen is and have been around way longer then acugen ever will be. More people trust these and we believe what we see with our eyes and in our hearts but not by your "words" for this company in which you claim is accurate. Also how can you sit here and bring up how ultrasounds and stuff can throw off gender due to these problems or these possibilites and such?...are you trying to say everyone in here is wrong with what they seen or our amnios are incorrect due to these problems? Im sorry but no it dont work that way, we all so far have healthy beautiful children and we will not let you put doubts in our minds and in our hearts especially when it comes to these HEAVENLY CHILDREN...quit messing with angry mother's...were more powerful then you think. Summer

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With regard to discrepancies with ultrasounds I’ve explained the reasons above…2D, 3D, and 4D ultrasounds are accumulated and superimposed images of ultrasound images and are subject to the same subjective interpretation as regular ultrasounds. (For instance, the umbilical cord can easily be mistaken for a penis. I’ve seen some 3D ultrasounds where if the image is showing a penis, the baby has a VERY large penis…there’s a strong chance that it’s the umbilical cord.) I’ve done research, and I cannot find any study which is able to confirm that accuracy rate of 2d, 3d or 4d ultrasounds at determining the baby’s gender. (Other than the one we have cited on our web site.)


Sherry, perhaps you missed my response to your original post.  There I cite three separate studies that clearly confirm the accuracy rate of SECOND TRIMESTER ultrasounds greater than the 80-90% you continue to stick with.  If I can find these studies in five minutes of Google searching, why are you unable?   Why are you so anxious to defend this lab?  Any honest business person would look at customer comments with an open mind so as to guarantee customers are getting a quality product.  Yet you continue to defend a company that, in addition to being wrong in our cases, has the WORST customer service I have ever experienced.  Your logic and excuses infuriate me.  I'm starting to think you have some hidden agenda - are you a major shareholder in Acu-Gen or something?

I will directly question you again as you seemed to ignore my question before.  When these babies are born and Acu-Gen issues our refunds, will you allow us to post our stories on your website?  I'm not asking you to quote studies, science and statistics.  I, as a customer, am asking you a simple yes or no question.  Will you be fair like numerous other reputable internet sales sites and allow customer feedback that is both positive and negative?

-Erica

Sherry,

Since you refused to answer any of my mothers' questions I will ask them AGAIN.  WHY, if Accugen is so certain that my baby had Chromosomal abnormalities did they NOT send me even an email? Why would they NOT send me a confirmation saying that I was having a boy? Even though, I called in to confirm my email so they could send it, bc I was so "happy and excited" that I wanted to print it out for my baby book that I was making for my baby.  This of course before I was informed by the so called "Doctor" who has no PHD, that my baby has Chromosomal abnormalities. I HIGHLY  doubt that all the women who have had amnio's done, and that dare differ from the results of your test, ALL have babies with Chromosomal abnormalities.  You worry about us considering you heartless.  Well when I talked to you on the phone you were anything but kind.  You were smug.  As was this "Dr" Wang and his assistant who had the nerve to laugh at me when I called the lab crying my eyes out over this so called "diagnosis".  And then for you all to tell me that you were telling me this four weeks bf I could get any actual testing done with my REAL dr, bc you felt it was right bc most people would like to have that "choice"!!!!!  Boy or Girl, abnormalities or not, that is MY baby and you all had NO right calling me and telling me that. I paid you for a service to tell me the sex of my child (which btw, I really don't put in any stock in anymore that you even have that) not to play "dr".  I have someone for that.  I feel sorry for all these ladies.  I can honestly say you, and "Dr" Wang have put a damper on my pregnancy.  I no longer feel like I'm bonding with my "son" bc after reading all these posts, I am not sure that it is even a boy.  I had to call my husband in Afghanastan and let him know about these so called abnormalities, and  hear his worry in his voice.  Your test says NOTHING of testing for abnormalities.  If it had I would have NEVER had purchased it.  I hope and pray, that more women become aware of this, and NEVER have to go through what I went through bc of a "favor" from someone playing "Dr" so I could have a "choice". 

Sherry, just when I thought I couldn't get any madder, you proved me wrong!!!  I can't not imagine what is going through your head that you would actually sit down, type up all of those horrible defects, and then still have the nerve to hit the post button.  What are you thinking....has this whole thing not upset these women enough?  You are basically telling all of the women that have had amnios that their babies must have birth defects for the amnio to be different than your precious BGM test. Wouldn't  the amnio pick up on any of those defects??  Do your truly believe that it is more probable for all of those babies to have some horrible defect versus the possibility that your test is simply WRONG????  Why can't you understand that you are only making this situation worse by telling these women that something must be wrong with their babies.  Sherry, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop it!!!!   Just leave the whole thing alone until January or so and see how things go.  Trust me,  regardless if you are  right or wrong about this test, you will do a lot less damage by just not saying anything.  Every time you respond, it just upsets everyone even more than the last time.  I personally believe that you could not be more wrong about this test but I have accepted the fact that you will not even consider that possibility until we all start giving birth....and maybe not even then.  According to your most recent post, a genetically male baby may look female.  Are you going to use that to avoid refunding money later? I really will feel bad for you when this whole thing is exposed but I won't ever feel as bad for you as I feel for all of these women.  It isn't about the money and hasn't been for a long time, it is about the emotional health of these families.

Hi Sherry,

One question you did not answer that many women have asked is about the accuracy of ultrasounds going up when you have 3 or 4 saying the same thing. I think it is highly unlikely that the women who have had 3 or 4 ultrasounds all stating their baby is one gender could be wrong. I really would like you to respond to this question because I think it is an important one. Thank you.

Stacy

Dear Sherry,

Thank you so much for publically providing a list for the women on this site to shed even more tears over and experience more sleepless nights.  It is nothing but kind of you to point out such a lengthy list of the potentially terrible things that could be wrong with our babies.  Heartless? Oh no very helpful, Sherry.  I can't thank you enough for publically displaying this list

When someone tells me their back hurts, I don't tell them they might have a cancerous tumor causing the pain.

When someone tells me they are scared to go on a rollercoaster, I don't tell them well you could fall out and die

When someone tells me that they are scared for their unborn baby because of the results of the baby gender mentor test, I don't tell them they should be and here is a list of all the problems your baby could have.

I have something called tact .....and I have something called class.....and I have something called faith too.

Obviously, these are things you lack and I beg you to please let the babies be born and prove what is to be proven- please do no cause us any more pain as we wait. Please, I beg you with all my heart.

 

Danielle