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  • 08-05-2008 12:49 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

    Maureen:

    I notice at the time of this article HRC didn't offer MS.  Hm. 

    Yes, curious why Dr.Potter wasn't a "fan" of Microsort and then did a 180 degree turnaround when it was offered at HRC a couple yrs later... no mention of Gradient Selection as a service at HRC since... i still am of the opinion if GS has the same "success" as MS for males, then people should be counselled on the $500 option instead of the $3400 one.

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  • 08-05-2008 1:29 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

    Hopefully Dr. Potter will see this thread soon so he can tell us if maybe he came across some new research that changed his opinion? 

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    #4 IVF/PGD, BFP! M/C 9.5 wks

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  • 08-13-2008 7:30 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

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    Catherine99:

    Gradient Selection can be added to a cycle for $500.

    Its $3400 for Microsort.

    For females, Microsort has the edge (88%) over Gradient Selection (75%).  However, since Microsort and Gradient Selection have roughly the SAME success rate with MALE (Y) sorts...then GS makes more sense to use than MS when desiring a son.

    This is false.  They do not have the same rates

    Dr. Daniel Potter, MD, FACOG
    Huntington Reproductive Center
  • 08-13-2008 7:35 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

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    Catherine99:

    Maureen:

    No process, other than MicroSort, has ever been found to effectively separate X and Y sperm.  None, period.  I am definitely interested in any process that would make gender selection cheaper and available to more people; but every study about any gradient method has found that it did not separate sperm, and people have been trying this for decades.  If someone is offering this, I would be interested to know what evidence they offer that the process is effective.  

     

    Ask Dr. Potter.  He was the one who was promoting Gradient Selection in that interview...quoted 70-75% success rate with it.  If it isn't effective why would Dr. Potter mention it as an option and quote such high stats with it???

    Please see my response.

    Dr. Daniel Potter, MD, FACOG
    Huntington Reproductive Center
  • 08-13-2008 9:31 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

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    As you can see from the header of the interview posted by Catherine99, it was published in November 2000, which means that the interview must have been conducted sometime prior to that. I will let the readers decide whether or not the above referenced post was innocently posted out of context or a willful attempt to impugn my integrity. The simple truth is that, as I acquired more data and experience, I realized that spinning did not work. I was also skeptical of MicroSort at that time. I only accepted MicroSort fully after they had a sizable experience and upon seeing unpublished data submitted to the FDA. This was all before I was associated with MicroSort in any way whatsoever. Also, MicroSort was never 'offered to HRC'. I went back and got it after I knew that it worked. If you would like to see how a medical opinion evolves, read on.

    When I joined HRC in August 1998, they had been doing gradient separation for gender selection for over 10 years. A small study published by our medical director at the time was one basis for its use along with my initial experience:

    Batzofin J Urol Clin North Am. 1987 Aug;14(3):609-18.

    During my first 2 or so years at HRC, I offered gradient separation. I kept track of my results. At first, it seemed to go fairly well with the gender ratios of as mentioned in the interview. As I accumulated more data, the gender ratio regressed toward 50:50. The straw that broke the camel’s back was a local attorney who had 2 boys and got her 3rd and 4th boys with non-identical twins using gradient selection IUI.1 At that time, I stopped recommending spinning but would still do it if patients insisted. We decided to use the new tool of PGD to see if spinning changed the gender ratio in embryos. The paper was completed and submitted in 2002 and presented in early 2003.

    Boostanfar R, Ivakhnenko V, Potter D, Feinman M, Behr B. Preimplantation genetic diagnosis after density gradient separation of the X and Y-bearing human spermatozoa. Presented at the 51st Annual meeting of the Pacific Coast Reproductive Society, April 24-27, 2003, Rancho Mirage, California.

    It showed that the gender ratio in embryos created with spinning was no different than those not prepared for gender. I also had begun to look more closely into MicroSort. MicroSort was very slow to publish its data and many of us in the reproductive community were skeptical. As of November 2000, the public was aware of:

    Efficiency of MicroSort flow cytometry for producing sperm populations enriched in X- or Y-chromosome haplotypes: a blind trial assessed by double and triple colour fluorescent in-situ hybridization. Hum Reprod. 1998 Feb;13(2):308-12.

    Births of normal daughters after MicroSort sperm separation and intrauterine insemination, in-vitro fertilization, or intracytoplasmic sperm injection. Hum Reprod. 1998 Sep;13(9):2367-70.

    Human live birth and sperm-sex ratios compared. Hum Reprod. 1999 Nov;14(11):2917-20.

    Preliminary study of the incidence of disomy in sperm fractions after MicroSort flow cytometry. Hum Reprod. 1999 Dec;14(12):2987-90.

    In 2000, I visited their facility and was able to look at the unpublished data submitted to the FDA. I became a believer in the MicroSort process. As I saw the results of the patients that I sent back to Fairfax, I my belief was confirmed. By 2001-2002, I was working on getting a facility out to the west coast.

    My opinion has always been public and has always been consistent with my interpretation of the best available data and the best interest of my patients.

    _____________________

    1[Caution: happy ending alert] BTW, she came back for a 5th with MS/PGD and got her girl!

    Dr. Daniel Potter, MD, FACOG
    Huntington Reproductive Center
  • 08-13-2008 10:15 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

    Dr. Potter:

    1[Caution:  happy ending alert] BTW, she came back for a 5th with MS/PGD and got her girl!

    Have not posted in this thread before.  But just wanted to say, glad she got her girl Happy  LOL.

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  • 08-14-2008 5:33 PM

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    Thank you for answering Dr. Potter. I'm glad to see the lawyer got her girl!!

    It would seem that Catherine99 has an axe to grind. Thank you Dr. Potter for offering MS at HRC, it certainly enabled me to get my girl. I for one will be ever grateful!

    Baby BoyBaby BoyBaby BoyBaby BoyBaby BoyBaby Girl-My MS/IVF/PGD princess

  • 08-14-2008 9:57 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

     

    Dr. P: I appreciate your candid response. I would imagine in your profession that "supporting" certain procedures or technology is very fluid and constantly changing as the success, statistics and information changes. You are allowed and entitled to change your mind if you feel that something is "better" or more "successful" in getting the desired result and as doctor I would hope that you would alter your views and practice as evidence and stats indicate something works better to help your patients. Sounds like that is exactly what you did as you now use Microsort in your practice. Keep up the good work!!! No big deal to me if you supported spinning at one time and then over time as your knowledge and information about Microsort increased that you then decided MS was better route to go for your patients. I of course LOVE Microsort and thanks to this incredible technology I have my beautiful twin IVF/MS twin girls!    TJ

    IUI/MS 9/06 BFN
    IUI/MS 10/06 Cancelled
    IVF/PGD/MS Converted cycle 10/06 BFN
    FET 12/06 BFN
    IVF/MS 2/07 +BFP TWIN GIRLS born in 2007              * All Cycles done at GIVF*

     

  • 08-15-2008 10:30 AM

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    blue5pink1:

    Thank you for answering Dr. Potter. I'm glad to see the lawyer got her girl!!

    It would seem that Catherine99 has an axe to grind. Thank you Dr. Potter for offering MS at HRC, it certainly enabled me to get my girl. I for one will be ever grateful!

    Denise, didn't HRC use Gradient Selection on your embryos after the Microsort machine was off-line? I'd be hopping mad if I were you! Now that Dr Potter admits its worthless and doesn't work maybe you can request a refund.
  • 08-15-2008 4:12 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

    No that was NOT me. The person that that happened to did not have to pay for MS, and I'm not sure she paid for the Ericcson, even if she did it is pretty cheap to do, couple hundred bucks. We all know that Gradient Selection doesn't work, when researching all this a couple of yrs ago, my OB told me that anyone who offered it now he considered unethical because now that they know it doesn't work you shouldn't be taking someone someone's money pretending that it does.

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  • 08-15-2008 7:36 PM

    Re: Gradient Selection versus Microsort

    • Dr. Potter

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    Catherine99:
    blue5pink1:

    Thank you for answering Dr. Potter. I'm glad to see the lawyer got her girl!!

    It would seem that Catherine99 has an axe to grind. Thank you Dr. Potter for offering MS at HRC, it certainly enabled me to get my girl. I for one will be ever grateful!

    Denise, didn't HRC use Gradient Selection on your embryos after the Microsort machine was off-line? I'd be hopping mad if I were you! Now that Dr Potter admits its worthless and doesn't work maybe you can request a refund.
      We don't charge for it.
    Dr. Daniel Potter, MD, FACOG
    Huntington Reproductive Center
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