For those who swayed & did NOT get Boy

sunnyinflorida:

Left IC in over the time recommended.

I don't think this even matters when you do natural does it?

punkin:

sunnyinflorida:

Left IC in over the time recommended.

I don't think this even matters when you do natural does it?

punkin:

sunnyinflorida:

mydreamteam:

 Sunny ~ Didn't you end up with a fake O or something that cycle and you actually Oed a different time than your 'real' attempt? Am I thinking of someone else? 

Yes it was me, I got a + OPK at 2pm and DTD the next day at 10am only to Really O three days later confirmed by another OPK and my temps This was my first cycle on soy I'm not sure if it had anything to do with it.

see this is exactly what worries me about the soy...messing up my O.  Did it give you EWCM?

 

For me I had just about the same amount of EWCM on soy as not on it.

sunnyinflorida:

Well see it's tricky I had a fever 4-6 days before O so my pre O temps were high which I know sways girl. I'm not sure if it was the soy or if being sick delayed my O and made me have a fake surge?

hmm, yeah being sick sometimes does delay O.  that is tricky

sunnyinflorida:

For me I had just about the same amount of EWCM on soy as not on it.

hmm that is interesting.  so if you were me would you take it?  I'm not having trouble Oing.  I'm just wanting a good strong egg and a quick bfp.  I think 4 of the BC girls said go for it.

punkin:

hmm that is interesting.  so if you were me would you take it?  I'm not having trouble Oing.  I'm just wanting a good strong egg and a quick bfp.  I think 4 of the BC girls said go for it.

You didn't ask me, but I'd try one more cycle w/out it because I think it would probably really screw up your CBEFM readings. I'd take RJ/BP for egg strength instead. It's much 'safer' from the hormonal aspect and we already know your body reacts strongly to the hormonal stuff w/the TT, kwim? 

Found this thread.. thought I'd chime in even though I didn't have the strongest sway..  I relied way too much on, "got 2 boys without swaying.. should be able to get another one on a small sway"... (bad idea. LOL)

The Good (I think)
Soy Isoflavones cd 2-8 80mg
BD on O day (according to temps, never got a +OPK)
Tons of EWCM
PH 7 , DH ph 8+
O'd on full moon
Big O
IC all night after BD 

The Bad
Drank a cup of coffee every morning (did this with DS's though, too)
BFing... (I think this contributed more than anything) DS2 was only 9 mnts when conceived
Drank milk (I love milk.. drink tons of it even when conceived DS's)

That's all I can think of.... 

mydreamteam:

punkin:

hmm that is interesting.  so if you were me would you take it?  I'm not having trouble Oing.  I'm just wanting a good strong egg and a quick bfp.  I think 4 of the BC girls said go for it.

 

You didn't ask me, but I'd try one more cycle w/out it because I think it would probably really screw up your CBEFM readings. I'd take RJ/BP for egg strength instead. It's much 'safer' from the hormonal aspect and we already know your body reacts strongly to the hormonal stuff w/the TT, kwim? 

no Kelly this is great!  I need your feedback.  I agree you're right I had a strong reaction to the TT and the flax as well.  I wondered what soy might do to my monitor.  Do you think the monitor is sensitive to hormone related supps where OPKs are not because the monitor is looking at estrogen levels as well as LH?

punkin:

Do you think the monitor is sensitive to hormone related supps where OPKs are not because the monitor is looking at estrogen levels as well as LH?

yes, this is exactly right. This is why the CBEFM company tells you it's not reliable to use it w/Clomid and other fertility drugs and soy, in essence, is working similarly to those drugs. 

mydreamteam:

punkin:

Do you think the monitor is sensitive to hormone related supps where OPKs are not because the monitor is looking at estrogen levels as well as LH?

 

yes, this is exactly right. This is why the CBEFM company tells you it's not reliable to use it w/Clomid and other fertility drugs and soy, in essence, is working similarly to those drugs. 

OK makes sense.   I've only got one months supply of CBEFM sticks left.  So if I get another bfn then I will switch to OPKs and take soy next month.  Thanks for helping me work this out.

MissysLair:

Found this thread.. thought I'd chime in even though I didn't have the strongest sway..  I relied way too much on, "got 2 boys without swaying.. should be able to get another one on a small sway"... (bad idea. LOL)

The Good (I think)
Soy Isoflavones cd 2-8 80mg
BD on O day (according to temps, never got a +OPK)
Tons of EWCM
PH 7 , DH ph 8+
O'd on full moon
Big O
IC all night after BD 

The Bad
Drank a cup of coffee every morning (did this with DS's though, too)
BFing... (I think this contributed more than anything) DS2 was only 9 mnts when conceived
Drank milk (I love milk.. drink tons of it even when conceived DS's)

That's all I can think of.... 

Was everything else the same with your boys except for breastfeeding?

RingosDrum:

MissysLair:

Found this thread.. thought I'd chime in even though I didn't have the strongest sway..  I relied way too much on, "got 2 boys without swaying.. should be able to get another one on a small sway"... (bad idea. LOL)

The Good (I think)
Soy Isoflavones cd 2-8 80mg
BD on O day (according to temps, never got a +OPK)
Tons of EWCM
PH 7 , DH ph 8+
O'd on full moon
Big O
IC all night after BD 

The Bad
Drank a cup of coffee every morning (did this with DS's though, too)
BFing... (I think this contributed more than anything) DS2 was only 9 mnts when conceived
Drank milk (I love milk.. drink tons of it even when conceived DS's)

That's all I can think of.... 

Was everything else the same with your boys except for breastfeeding?