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September 2008 - Posts

  • q and a about the trivers willard hypothesis

    First of all, if this is the first time you've visited, hi!  Please scroll down to my first blog entry, that will hopefully explain everything I'm talking about. 

    Personal update - weight 147 lbs, pH still around 6.  Still waiting on the better pH strips.  Exercising has proved more difficult than I had hoped with a 6month old, but things are going well on my diet.  Every time I get a craving I take out the daisy-covered sandals I bought when I was pregnant with DS 3 and I regain my motivation.  My milk supply has stayed quite good, but seems a little low this morning.  I will have some extra calories for breakfast and give the baby some cereal to compensate.  

    And an idea to better the plan - I can't do this now due to breastfeeding, but I think it might be worth looking into for anyone else thinking of trying this.  Try adding Chitoslim to the ttc girls supplement list.  It's a dietary aid that's made out of lobster shells, and it absorbs fat from your diet.  So if you're cutting way back on carbs but still eating a lot of high fat dairy, this might be a painless way to eliminate yet more calories from your diet.  This would probably be good even if you're doing the traditional ttc girl diet - though someone should find out if it has any effect on acidity.  

    Ok - I have read several questions about Trivers Willard and related issues and I'm going to answer them to the best of my ability.

    I am a Christian, and I don't believe in evolution.  These ideas are offensive to my beliefs.

    Personally, I think God created evolution, but no matter what your beliefs, the Trivers Willard hypothesis has been extensively studied by many scientists and they have all observed the phenomenon in other mammals.  I believe that God designed us with the best biology He could in order to help us survive, so if He knew that having more girls sometimes and boys at other times would help us, He would have created us that way. 

    Why don't you believe in swaying the regular way?

    I do, but I think there has to be a deeper reason behind why pH levels can sway gender.  Our bodies don't do anything for no reason.  I think altering pH levels just mimicks a natural process, and so if we can tap into that process, our sways will be even more successful. 

    This all seems very farfetched.  What are you going to do if this doesn't work?

    It's very possible it won't work.  Firstly, no sway could ever be 100%.  If losing weight caused 100% birth of one gender, the human race would've died out long ago.  The first famine would've wiped us all out.  There are too many variables to be considered and too many body types and chemistry to count.  All I can do is know my own body, and I know I was gaining weight 2 out of the 3 times I conceived boys, and eating red meat and high carbs with all three.

    Secondly, I think it's entirely possible that the combination of my husband and I cannot make girls, or at least not very easily.  It wouldn't matter if I had the greatest sway ever, it would be a longshot, because something fundamental in our body chemistry is working so hard against conceiving a girl that it cannot be overcome.  If that is the case, I may just have to accept that my body knows something I don't, and maybe I am best at raising boys.  So be it. 

    I do hope that my success or failure will not deter people from looking into this possibility further.  One case is not adequate evidence to prove or disprove anything.  It seems quite easy to incorporate the idea of lower carbs and weight loss into a traditional girl sway anyway.  Or to try and gain a little weight when ttc a boy. 

    This doesn't work because I'm overweight and I have a lot of girls.

    Something very interesting that I have observed personally is that some overweight women do seem to have a lot of girls.  We have two neighbors, one with 6 girls, one with three girls, and they are both overweight.

    I see three possible explanations for this.  Firstly, if you were planning a pregnancy, the natural mindset seems to be 'I will get healthy so I can get pregnant.'  For overweight women, this might entail going onto a diet, or even just eating more healthfully, and starting an exercise regimen.  Using the logic of Trivers Willard, this is the opposite of what you want to do to conceive a boy.

    Secondly, some people are not overweight because they eat a lot of high-nutrient foods, they are overweight because they eat empty calories.  Since we don't know exactly what physical mechanisms are in play, it seems possible that if your body 'thinks' it isn't getting enough quality food, it may respond by reacting just as it would in a time of famine.

    Finally, there is potentially a connection between blood glucose levels and baby's gender.  If you eat a lot of refined carbs and sugar, even high fat, all these things raise blood glucose levels, causing insulin to be released.  Over time, our bodies gradually build up a resistance to insulin.  More and more insulin must be released into the bloodstream to metabolize that glucose.  In effect, you are constantly bathing your body in glucose-lowering chemicals, and low blood glucose equals more girls.  Again, since we don't know precisely what mechanism (or more than one) is functioning in Trivers Willard, the presence of these chemicals, or other chemicals found in highly processed nutrient-poor food, might also be signaling your body that your health is compromised.     

    This doesn't work because I was thin and exercised a lot and I have a boy. 

    If you were planning a pregnancy, it is quite possible that you began to eat more healthfully in the months before you conceived.  Perhaps you added more servings of meat, began to drink milk, or felt it was ok to indulge in a little extra dessert than normal.  You may have eaten less processed food and exposed yourself to less additives.  You probably began to take prenatal vitamins.  You may even have cut back on exercise thinking it would help you conceive.  Boy zone!!

    It may also matter if your exercise was primarily cardio, or if there was an element of weight training involved.  There was a study done in Africa among refugees fleeing famine, and it found that women with the highest amount of muscle in their upper arms had the most boys and those with the least muscle had the most girls.

    Or you may have been in such good health, and burning so many calories through exercise, that your body was able to tolerate a relatively high amount of caloric intake.  You might have been able to eat far more than another woman who did not exercise at all, and this increased food signalled to your body that times were good and that a boy pregnancy would be desirable.

    I have a boy and a girl, or vice versa.  If it's that complicated, then how did I manage that?

    To me, this is the strongest proof that Trivers Willard exists and that we can use it to sway.  If some of us were really unable to have girls or boys, then how is it that so many others can have children of both genders seemingly effortlessly? 

    One scenario might be, at one point your body thought food was plentiful and your health was good, and so you had a boy.  Then, when you later conceived your daughter, perhaps you were a little run down from pregnancy or breastfeeding.  Maybe you were busy with a small child and unable to eat as well as you should - sometimes you even skipped meals altogether.  You often took your child to the park to play with him, sometimes for hours.  And you conceived a girl.

    Conversely, maybe you were very thin and liked to work out a lot in your pre-child days.  Your first pregnancy was a girl, and whoops, you put on a few extra pounds during the pregnancy.  Having a small child makes it more difficult to exercise to exhaustion like you used to, and you find yourself eating a lot of peanut butter and jelly and goldfish crackers and pasta, just because that's what your child likes.  It's no surprise that you might have a boy next.

    I have a lot of health problems, but I have all boys!

    It may depend on the type of health problems you have.  Something extremely interesting that I have observed in my own life, is that some people I know who suffer from autoimmune disorders have all boys.  Two women I know who have rheumatoid arthritis both have two boys, and two women (myself included) who have severe allergies, eczema, and often have hives, also with two boys each.  Obviously, this is not a reliable sample (particularly since 2 of us are from IG and are pre-selected for having all one gender of child), but it is a tantalizing notion.  Autoimmune diseases strike when the body's immune system is hyperactive, even attacking its own tissues.  It seems within the realm of possibility that your body might interpret this strong immune reaction as a sign that health is extremely good.

    Diabetes and insulin resistance is another disease I think could easily influence gender, due to its effect on blood glucose levels.  I know a couple of diabetic women with all girls, but this may only be a coincidence.  There are several other diseases like PCOS that affect blood sugar as well. 

    I would be interested to hear of any other disease-gender clusters that anyone has noticed.

    If all this is true, and girls are more likely to survive to adulthood and have offspring then boys are, then why would boys be born at all?

    It is a little more complicated than that.  The implications of the theory are, that since strong and healthy males can theoretically mate with many, many women, and produce many offspring, if your child is likelier to be strong and healthy (born into an environment where resources are plentiful), he will more likely be a boy.  On the other hand, if your child is likelier to be smaller (due to scarce resources), and even the smallest, least healthy females are capable of producing some offspring, if times are tough you will be more likely to have a girl.  So girls are a sure thing, while boys are a gamble that may pay off big time.

    Now - to completely go off on a tangent...  I think this theory is missing a very big chunk.  The fact is, the existence of strong boys and men has been vital to the survival of all humans in every environment throughout time.  They defend women and children against aggressors, provide food and shelter, and have been the driving force behind most of the technological advances that mankind has ever produced (not saying women can't or haven't done all of these things, just that men have generally been more likely to).  I think that the survival of humanity as a whole requires the presence of many strong boys and men, and that the whole "men spreading their seed all over the place" notion is a bit misguided.  IMHO, more males are born in times of plenty because we need strong boys and men and men for the survival and betterment of the species, and they need more and better quality calories to grow big and strong than females do.

    Well, I believe I've blathered on long enough here.  If you've made it all the way to the end of this, I thank you for sticking with me and I'd love to hear what you think.Happy Wink

                   

  • My swaying plan

    I'm planning on ttc starting on Jan. 22, my baby's 9 month birthday.  I feel that he'll be off to a good start at that point, so if I do get pg and I need to wean him, I will be able to.  My starting weight is 151 lbs. and my pH is around 6 (sorry I have crappy pH sticks, I've ordered better ones but they're not here yet.)

    The main aspects of my ttc plan are as follows:  

    1- to gradually lose between 20-30 pounds over the next three months while still keeping my milk supply up

    This averages out to be aorund 2 pounds a week.  This is doable for me, but I have a hard time losing weight when breastfeeding, so we'll see what I'm really capable of.  The more weight lost the better, but just being in the process of losing weight may be enough for my body to 'think' I'm living in a time of famine.

    I will continue taking my daily multivitamin, Vitamin D, and Enfamil DHA vitamins as I've been taking for months, and I will add extra folic acid to make up for any lack as I cut out most fortified breads, pasta, and cereals. 

    2 - to gradually eliminate carbs and high fat from my diet, switching over to lower fat products and fewer carbs

    Lean chicken, fish twice a week, and eggs.  I'm off red meat all together as of today.  I am considering shifting from full fat dairy to low fat at some point, but since I feel that baby Tate needs me to eat a decent amount of good fat, I am leaning towards sticking with the full fat dairy products and I will continue taking my Enfamil DHA vitamins for the same reason.  Full fat dairy also helps increase fertility.  I'm going to stay away from fruit all together, and stick with lower carb vegetables (no corn, carrots, or tomatoes).  I know that vegies are not ok on the regular ttc girl diet, but I think I need to keep eating them for Tate's sake and for my own sanity.  Other carbs, like breads and pastas, I'm going to have to gradually wean off of, reducing the amount while simultaneously replacing refined carbs with whole grains.  I can't go off carbs too suddenly, I've tried it once before and it makes me kind of sick.  Plus I think it would reduce my milk supply.

    3- to keep my blood glucose levels moderately low and without wild fluctuations

    There are studies done by Elissa Cameron, a biologist at the U. of Nevada, that have suggested that glucose levels in a mother's blood are the mechanism that controls gender in terms of the Trivers Willard hypothesis.  Lower blood glucose means more girls, and higher blood glucose means more boys; somehow your glucose level communicates to your body, possibly telling it to raise pH and hormone levels.   High fat and high carb diets elevate your blood glucose levels, so by sticking to my diet as described above, I think I can keep my glucose levels lower than they are normally.

    I've also looked into natural methods of keeping blood sugar low, such as grapefruit and cinnamon.  Grapefruit has a lot of natural sugar in it and also has been known to screw up absorption of certain nutrients, so I think I'll stay away from it.  No one seems to know if cinnamon is really safe in pregnancy, so again, I'll be avoiding that, although I do think cinnamon in particular is something we should look into adding to the ttc girl supplements at some point.

    I will also completely eliminate caffeine as that can cause wild fluctuations in blood sugar.

    4 - to pursue frequent and intense cardio exercise for losing weight and keeping blood glucose levels stable 

    The best bet that I have found for lowering and stabilizing blood glucose levels is exercise.  Diabetics are able to lower their blood glucose levels quite successfully with exercise alone, especially if they exercise in short bursts just prior to each meal.  So my exercise plan consists of running 20 sets of steps before each of my three meals, plus an hour of more intensive exercise a day, whenever I can, it is difficult with a baby!  

    I will be sticking to just cardio, no weight training.  I have read a study regarding women in Africa, and the women with the most upper arm muscle mass had the most boys.  I tend to think this is more that upper arm muscle mass is indicative of overall health and not that muscle mass = more boys, but I've decided to err on the safe side and eliminate weight training.

    4 - to continue breastfeeding my son as long as possible

    Mainly because I can't justify shortchanging my existing child in favor of a new pregnancy, but also because it seems to me that breastfeeding is another way my body is being taxed.  Any way I can use up calories seems a good way to communicate to my body that a girl pregnancy might be preferable at this time. 

    Furthermore, diabetic mothers have found that while breastfeeding, their blood sugar levels seem to normalize naturally, and many of them are able to lower and even eliminate insulin during breastfeeding, so breastfeeding may be another way to keep my blood glucose levels low.

    5 - getting lots of sleep and keeping stress to a minimum

    Lack of sleep and high stress levels tend to raise blood glucose levels, leading to weight gain, especially in the abdomen.

    6 - frequent baby dancing and not worrying about timing

    I know this is frowned upon in a traditional sway, but if I use too many of the tactics of a traditional sway, the cause and effect will get muddled.

    Furthermore, I'm somewhat worried about my fertility, so I think the more sex, the better my chances of pregnancy, and the sooner the better as my eggs ain't getting any younger.  I don't want to have to try for a year or two if I can help it. 

    Also, although my husband is very supportive of another child, he has no gender preference and is not at all interested in swaying, he just wants to have fun doing it.  I feel that since he is being so supportive of the entire baby idea, I better not push my luck here and demand too much!!

    In regards to timing, I have three boys conceived during Shettles girl periods, so I don't put too much stock in this. 

    And finally, I think worrying too much about the timing and positioning of sex just adds to the general stress of the whole thing.  Stress is bad for fertility and raises blood glucose levels, so I'm just going to have the attitude of, go in and have a good time and see what happens.

    Well, that is my plan.  I find it quite interesting that actually it isn't that different from a traditional sway.  I really do suspect that we are activating certain inborn mechanisms in our body when we sway, and I hope that my experience will give us yet more information we can use to our advantage.Happy Smile   

         

  • What the heck is the Trivers Willard hypothesis? And what does it have to do with swaying?

    The Trivers Willard hypothesis is a biological theory that has been around for over 30 years.  In a nutshell, it states that it makes more sense (evolutionarily speaking) for mothers who are in better physical condition to have more boys, while mothers in poorer physical condition, would tend to have girls. 

    Trivers Willard has been widely researched in a variety of different mammals including humans, and there seems to be something to it.  You may have read some of the recent articles regarding sex ratio, stating that moms that smoke are more likely to have girls, while those who eat breakfast cereal are more likely to have boys?  Well, that is Trivers Willard in action. 

    The hypothesis holds that when good, high quality food is plentiful and a mother's health is strong, there is some mechanism in a female mammal's body that alters her biology and vaginal environment to favor y sperm, and vice versa.  It seems bigger, stronger, healthier male offspring are best suited to compete for mates, whereas even the smallest and weakest female offspring generally find a mate and have offspring. (Though I'm only an amateur scientist, I further surmise that in times of famine, female children, who are smaller and need less calories to grow and thrive, would be far more likely to live to adulthood to begin with.  Another reason why our bodies might favor one gender over another.)

    I am speculating that when we sway using douches, supplements, special diets, and timing, we are in fact mimicking this natural phenomenon.  Therefore, I'm going to try and trick my body into thinking times are a little tougher just prior to ttc a girl.  I will monitor my pH and CM levels and see if anything changes while I alter my diet.

    I am not going to sway traditionally.  I know many people are wondering why I would dare to risk my attempt on a totally untested theory. 

    Firstly, I truly believe it will work.  I know that my boy pregnancies occured during a time when I was either actively gaining weight (Boys 1 and 3)  or maintaining a bit above the 'correct' weight for my height (Boy 2).  Also, I became pregnant when I was eating very well, lots of fat and high carb foods - Boys 2 and 3 were planned and I wanted to be in excellent health for my pregnancy.  I am naturally somewhat slim, but never skinny, and I have more muscle mass than many women have.  And with all three boys, I exercised at a healthful level, not too much, not too little.  According to what I've read, these things all point to boy pregnancies. 

    Secondly, I think it can help people.  I have seen too many other women have their hearts broken by GD, even after a 'perfect' sway.  The information is out there, we just have to figure out how to incorporate it into our sway.  And if I use the traditional methods of swaying as well, it will never be certain why exactly my sway was successful.  Someone is going to have to be the first one to try to TTC using Trivers Willard, and it might as well be me.  In all honesty, if my sway fails and I get another boy, it's not the end of the world for me.  I'm ok with another boy.  At the very least it will be another chapter in our swaying library, even if it is filed under "Do not do!" 

    And finally, I'm 38 years old.  My fertility is waning, it is a fact of life.  My DH is 39, and has worked around chemicals his whole life.  I am reticent about using too many douches or supplements that may reduce my chances of getting pregnant, and killing off my husband's healthiest sperm does not seem wise to me.  Even though I feel that the lime douche method is perfectly safe, I just feel that since we are at an increased risk of age-related birth defects, I want the strongest swimmer available to do the job.  My primary goal is to provide a healthy, same age sibling for my youngest son.  My desire for a daughter must come behind the good of my family.

    I hope this spells out my thoughts and motivation clearly - I will post again very soon with the specifics of my TTC plan, and check back again for more information about Trivers Willard as it becomes available.  Please PM me with any questions or criticism.  Thanks for reading!  Kristin